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CHICAGO (AP) — A small but growing number of teens and even younger children who think they were born the wrong sex are getting support from parents and from doctors who give them sex-changing treatments, according to reports in the medical journal Pediatrics.


It's an issue that raises ethical questions, and some experts urge caution in treating children with puberty-blocking drugs and hormones.


An 8-year-old second-grader in Los Angeles is a typical patient. Born a girl, the child announced at 18 months, "I a boy" and has stuck with that belief. The family was shocked but now refers to the child as a boy and is watching for the first signs of puberty to begin treatment, his mother told The Associated Press.


Pediatricians need to know these kids exist and deserve treatment, said Dr. Norman Spack, author of one of three reports published Monday and director of one of the nation's first gender identity medical clinics, at Children's Hospital Boston.


"If you open the doors, these are the kids who come. They're out there. They're in your practices," Spack said in an interview.


Switching gender roles and occasionally pretending to be the opposite sex is common in young children. But these kids are different. They feel certain they were born with the wrong bodies.


Some are labeled with "gender identity disorder," a psychiatric diagnosis. But Spack is among doctors who think that's a misnomer. Emerging research suggests they may have brain differences more similar to the opposite sex.


Spack said by some estimates, 1 in 10,000 children have the condition.


Offering sex-changing treatment to kids younger than 18 raises ethical concerns, and their parents' motives need to be closely examined, said Dr. Margaret Moon, a member of the American Academy of Pediatrics' bioethics committee. She was not involved in any of the reports.


Some kids may get a psychiatric diagnosis when they are just hugely uncomfortable with narrowly defined gender roles; or some may be gay and are coerced into treatment by parents more comfortable with a sex change than having a homosexual child, said Moon, who teaches at the Johns Hopkins Berman Institute of Bioethics.


It's harmful "to have an irreversible treatment too early," Moon said.


Doctors who provide the treatment say withholding it would be more harmful.


These children sometimes resort to self-mutilation to try to change their anatomy; the other two journal reports note that some face verbal and physical abuse and are prone to stress, depression and suicide attempts. Spack said those problems typically disappear in kids who've had treatment and are allowed to live as the opposite sex.


Guidelines from the Endocrine Society endorse transgender hormone treatment but say it should not be given before puberty begins. At that point, the guidelines recommend puberty-blocking drugs until age 16, then lifelong sex-changing hormones with monitoring for potential health risks. Mental health professionals should be involved in the process, the guidelines say. The group's members are doctors who treat hormonal conditions.


Those guidelines, along with YouTube videos by sex-changing teens and other media attention, have helped raise awareness about treatment and led more families to seek help, Spack said.


His report details a fourfold increase in patients at the Boston hospital. His Gender Management Service clinic, which opened at the hospital in 2007, averages about 19 patients each year, compared with about four per year treated for gender issues at the hospital in the late 1990s.


The report details 97 girls and boys treated between 1998 and 2010; the youngest was 4 years old. Kids that young and their families get psychological counseling and are monitored until the first signs of puberty emerge, usually around age 11 or 12. Then children are given puberty-blocking drugs, in monthly $1,000 injections or implants imbedded in the arm.


In another Pediatrics report, a Texas doctor says he's also provided sex-changing treatment to an increasing number of children; so has a clinic at Children's Hospital Los Angeles where the 8-year-old is a patient.


The drugs used by the clinics are approved for delaying puberty in kids who start maturing too soon. The drugs' effects are reversible, and Spack said they've caused no complications in his patients. The idea is to give these children time to mature emotionally and make sure they want to proceed with a permanent sex change. Only 1 of the 97 opted out of permanent treatment, Spack said.


Kids will more easily pass as the opposite gender, and require less drastic treatment later, if drug treatment starts early, Spack said. For example, boys switching to girls will develop breasts and girls transitioning to boys will be flat-chested if puberty is blocked and sex-hormones started soon enough, Spack said.


Sex hormones, especially in high doses when used long-term, can have serious side effects, including blood clots and cancer. Spack said he uses low, safer doses but that patients should be monitored.


Gender-reassignment surgery, which may include removing or creating penises, is only done by a handful of U.S. doctors, on patients at least 18 years old, Spack said. His clinic has worked with local surgeons who've done breast removal surgery on girls at age 16, but that surgery can be relatively minor, or avoided, if puberty is halted in time, he said.


The mother of the Los Angeles 8-year-old says he's eager to begin treatment.


When the child was told he could get shots to block breast development, "he was so excited," the mother said.


He also knows he'll eventually be taking testosterone shots for life but surgery right now is uncertain.


The child attends a public school where classmates don't know he is biologically a girl. For that reason, his mother requested anonymity.


She said she explained about having a girl's anatomy but he rejected that, refused to wear dresses, and has insisted on using a boy's name since preschool.


The mother first thought it was a phase, then that her child might be a lesbian, and sought a therapist's help to confirm her suspicion. That's when she first heard the term "gender identity disorder" and learned it's often not something kids outgrow.


Accepting his identity has been difficult for both parents, the woman said. Private schools refused to enroll him as a boy, and the family's pediatrician refused to go along with their request to treat him like a boy. They found a physician who would, Dr. Jo Olson, medical director of a transgender clinic at Children's Hospital Los Angeles.


Olson said the journal reports should help persuade more doctors to offer these kids sex-changing treatment or refer them to specialists who will.


"It would be so nice to move this out of the world of mental health, and into the medical world," Olson said.
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Soooo, should kids at a young age, even with parental approval, have a sex change?

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I blame the parents. I mean really, what the fuck does a child of 18 months know about anything?

Also maybe the reason only 1 in 97 changes their mind is because its fucking $1000 a month for at least a few years, If you dont feel a little bad about saying, "nah, actually im fine with the way im supposed to be after all" after your parents wasted all that money, then theres probably more wrong with you than you think.
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No. I don't believe that at all. I'm all for gender reassignment surgery if you'd like but as a child the brain isn't fully developed nor do they have a complete idea of who they are.

I would say that they should wait until they're 18 and have full control over their medical decisions but at the same time if they really do believe that they were born in the wrong body they would be prone to mental and emotional disorders throughout their adolescence which may cause irreversible psychological damage.

It's a very sensitive topic that needs to be thought about very carefully.

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>An 8-year-old second-grader in Los Angeles is a typical patient.

>She said she explained about having a girl's anatomy but he rejected that, refused to wear dresses, and has insisted on using a boy's name since preschool.
> The family was shocked but now refers to the child as a boy and is watching for the first signs of puberty to begin treatment
>Pediatricians need to know these kids exist and deserve treatment
>These children sometimes resort to self-mutilation to try to change their anatomy>
>The report details 97 girls and boys treated between 1998 and 2010; the youngest was 4 years old.
>4 years old.
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ANYONE who brings their kid in for sex-chaining of their child should have their kids removed from their custody.

YES, I know that this is real, but they're still CHILDREN.

No sex change operation should be done until someone is around 18 to 21.
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View PostTanis, on 20 February 2012 - 01:56 PM, said:

ANYONE who brings their kid in for sex-chaining of their child should have their kids removed from their custody.

YES, I know that this is real, but they're still CHILDREN.

No sex change operation should be done until someone is around 18 to 21.


But the whole point is that you have to start before puberty, or it won't really work.

That said, is it really so bad to live as the wrong gender, when the alternative is having a fake penis or vagina, taking hormones for the rest of your life, and tens of thousands in medical bills?

If I was born in a girl's body, I would still do all the same shit I normally do. It's not really that big a deal...
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View PostSupernova141, on 20 February 2012 - 03:24 PM, said:

If I was born in a girl's body, I would still do all the same shit I normally do. It's not really that big a deal...


I'm sorry but this is kind of an ignorant thing for you to say. Firstly, what you "normally do" isn't really what defines your gender for you, neither mentally nor emotionally. There are real reasons that some people strongly desire to be of the opposite gender. It is a big deal to feel like you aren't the gender that you identify with and see yourself as.

But seeing as how you are not one of those, and neither am I, we can't really expect to understand it too well, unfortunately.

For some, though, it's easy enough. Why are you a guy? "Well, because I am. I am biologically male." Simple enough. But it doesn't work that way for everyone.

Also, I'd like to point out that 18 is not some magical number where people are suddenly of sound mind to make decisions for themselves, guys. So while I do certainly agree that many children would have absolutely no idea what they're getting themselves into by asking for a sex change, I do not agree that they need to be 18 to do so. Some people mature earlier, some later. Although it is impossible to be certain, I would think that the best way to find out if a kid knows what a sex change really means for them and their future is to do some sort of counseling. Some back-and-forth communication. They need to demonstrate that they're ready somehow. And not with a fucking renewed driver's license that says they were born 18 years ago.

Either way, at an early enough age, no kid really understands these things. So the kid that got it at age 4? Yeah, no. Fuck no. That's not cool.

By the way, while it helps to get it done before puberty, it's not entirely a necessity. Beyond the hormonal treatment and genital reassignment, there's plastic surgery if you really want to change your appearance even more. And there is a such thing as a sort of "second puberty" - it's something you hear FTM and MTF patients talk about a lot. For age, this "second puberty" is usually in the early 20s. Doesn't really happen much to everyone, but it is there. Starting hormones before then would be helpful.

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View PostSupernova141, on 20 February 2012 - 03:24 PM, said:

That said, is it really so bad to live as the wrong gender, .


...what in the world makes someone "the wrong gender"? It's not like your chromosomes were like "LOL WHOOPS I MEANT TO BE AN XY, MY BAD!"

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View PostSaiya-Jin, on 20 February 2012 - 05:50 PM, said:

...what in the world makes someone "the wrong gender"? It's not like your chromosomes were like "LOL WHOOPS I MEANT TO BE AN XY, MY BAD!"

Actually, that's basically what happens.
Your physical traits don't match your mental traits.


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View Postsuigintou, on 20 February 2012 - 04:42 PM, said:

View PostSupernova141, on 20 February 2012 - 03:24 PM, said:

If I was born in a girl's body, I would still do all the same shit I normally do. It's not really that big a deal...


I'm sorry but this is kind of an ignorant thing for you to say. Firstly, what you "normally do" isn't really what defines your gender for you, neither mentally nor emotionally. There are real reasons that some people strongly desire to be of the opposite gender. It is a big deal to feel like you aren't the gender that you identify with and see yourself as.

But seeing as how you are not one of those, and neither am I, we can't really expect to understand it too well, unfortunately.


Well, I actually have been a little too close for comfort to this subject, but my personal experience is hardly the point here, so let's skip all that.

I'm gonna agree with Saiya-jin, what DOES make someone the wrong gender? Boys and Girls are both capable of acting masculine or feminine(or anywhere in between), so how exactly can someone even know what kind of body they were "supposed" to be in?

My guess is, the real issue here is fixation. People, for whatever reason, convince themselves that they're the wrong gender, and they convince themselves so hard that they make themselves miserable over it.

Am I saying gender-reassignment surgery is wrong? No, people can do whatever the fuck they want, but when you weigh the pros of being the "right" gender(whatever the hell that even means) with the cons of having an improvised mock-up instead of real genitalia, and taking shots for the rest of your life, it all seems pretty meaningless.

Forgive my ignorance.
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It really does depend on how you feel, and feelings are INCREDIBLY individual. I have no idea how any of these kids feels, and probably never will.

But at any age we don't know shit about anything, especially at a younger age. There may not be a "magic age" where we can make our own decisions and know about ourselves... But odder things can go down.

But that is just too damn young. Hell at 18 months, I had just started walking, let alone know what the hell the thing between my legs is. I know, it's more a mental v. physical thing, but at such a young age you really don't know jack.

I mean it may be a feeling a child has, but how many times have you seen a kid CONVINCED they were a flower? Or a dog? I am not saying it is the exact thing, but more of a reasonable doubt kind of thing. I will never say I know what another person SHOULD do with their lives or their children, but I will pressure patience.

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View Postsuigintou, on 20 February 2012 - 04:42 PM, said:


Also, I'd like to point out that 18 is not some magical number where people are suddenly of sound mind to make decisions for themselves, guys. So while I do certainly agree that many children would have absolutely no idea what they're getting themselves into by asking for a sex change, I do not agree that they need to be 18 to do so. Some people mature earlier, some later. Although it is impossible to be certain, I would think that the best way to find out if a kid knows what a sex change really means for them and their future is to do some sort of counseling. Some back-and-forth communication. They need to demonstrate that they're ready somehow. And not with a fucking renewed driver's license that says they were born 18 years ago.



Based on Suig's comment, I'd like to point out that you can't just walk into a hospital and ask for gender reassignment surgery. There are prerequisites that the individual must complete for a certain time period before the surgery can even be scheduled. One of those prerequisites is a certain amount of hours in counselling with a licensed psychiatrist who makes a complete psychiatric evaluation of the individual's mental state to show that they are capable of making such a decision and that they understand the severity of the decision and its consequences.

If the psychiatrist says no, the person is not ready then the hospital will not schedule the surgery to take place.


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Well, I actually have been a little too close for comfort to this subject, but my personal experience is hardly the point here, so let's skip all that.

I'm gonna agree with Saiya-jin, what DOES make someone the wrong gender? Boys and Girls are both capable of acting masculine or feminine(or anywhere in between), so how exactly can someone even know what kind of body they were "supposed" to be in?

My guess is, the real issue here is fixation. People, for whatever reason, convince themselves that they're the wrong gender, and they convince themselves so hard that they make themselves miserable over it.

Am I saying gender-reassignment surgery is wrong? No, people can do whatever the fuck they want, but when you weigh the pros of being the "right" gender(whatever the hell that even means) with the cons of having an improvised mock-up instead of real genitalia, and taking shots for the rest of your life, it all seems pretty meaningless.

Forgive my ignorance.


I remember being told that there is a difference between 'sex' and 'gender'; a person's 'sex' depends on the gametes that the person's body produces therefore a male produces sperm and a female produces eggs. 'Gender' is just a term used to encompass characteristics or traits that go along with the two sexes.

The way I understand it, 'gender' is just a state of mind and it's completely possible to be born one sex and be another gender. But that's just my point of view.

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View PostLavi, on 21 February 2012 - 06:09 AM, said:

I remember being told that there is a difference between 'sex' and 'gender'; a person's 'sex' depends on the gametes that the person's body produces therefore a male produces sperm and a female produces eggs. 'Gender' is just a term used to encompass characteristics or traits that go along with the two sexes.

The way I understand it, 'gender' is just a state of mind and it's completely possible to be born one sex and be another gender. But that's just my point of view.


Right, so what's the difference between a particularly effeminate male, and a female born in a male's body? The difference is, the former is comfortable being themselves even if it means breaking conventional gender roles, and the latter decides they need a fake vagina to be happy.
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then it becomes a psychiatric matter and that is why a psychiatric evaluation is one of the requirements for the reassignment surgery

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I think it's hard for anyone who hasn't hated their genitals to 'get it'.

I mean, I'm fine with my penis and I like vagina...
So my life is a bit, easier, that some folks.
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I can see this being nothing more than the parents wanting one child, but getting another. :/

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View PostSmokedBoo, on 21 February 2012 - 06:59 PM, said:

I can see this being nothing more than the parents wanting one child, but getting another. :/


But parents NEVER try to make their kids something they're not!

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View PostSupernova141, on 21 February 2012 - 11:24 PM, said:


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You don't have to post your own pics here Supa, that goes in another thread.

Back to serious-ish.

And I think we can all, at least most to cover my ass, say that we have no idea how any of these people, and children, feel.

Right? But this has been one interesting topic.

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Which is why this thread is merely in an opinionated section.

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View PostSupernova141, on 21 February 2012 - 11:24 PM, said:

View PostSmokedBoo, on 21 February 2012 - 06:59 PM, said:

I can see this being nothing more than the parents wanting one child, but getting another. :/


But parents NEVER try to make their kids something they're not!

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